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Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:49:00 -
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The truth of the matter is that you cannot FORCE someone to PvP.
I personally don't PvP. I absolutely detest PvP, and have avoided it in every game I've ever played. If my alliance gets a war dec, I simply stay in station and spend my time on EvE playing the market. If the war dec lasts too long, I will simply stop playing, logging on only to update skill queues.
I don't shoot ninjas who invade my mission space. Instead, I abandon all wrecks immediately. If there is a mission completion item, I will dock up and complete the mission later. Losing the time bonus doesn't bother me at all versus accidentally gaining agro from the invader. I don't want to fight you, and I will do everything in my power to make that abundantly clear.
I do not venture into lowsec space. I know that I am a huge target and that there are players all over that area of space looking to take me down at their first opportunity.
My question is:
Why does this bother some of you?
I enjoy the PvE aspect of the game, I really do. How does this affect the PvP players in any way? Are you trying to lower the subscriber base of EvE by driving out the people who don't see things the same way you do? I know that I am not alone in my playstyle, in fact most of my alliance members are mission runners or industrialists.
Can the blood hungry PvPers not see that blowing away industrialists is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot? Who makes your ships that you so happily blow into space dust? Who mines the minerals? Who risks their freighter every time they jump into Jita?
Carebears do.
So, does it really make sense to push them out of the game in hopes that spaceships will start growing on trees? |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:09:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Half the playerbase is only capable of thinking from their perspective and no one else. Don't let it bother you. Everyone bears in this game in one form or another.
Though I do frown on any corp pilot that will hide in station during a wardec and choose to not help their fellow corpmates. That makes you a selfish team mate in my eyes. With respect to running a hisec corp, I always say that the true character of a pilot comes out when a wardec occurs. Some will go off and selfishly do their own thing while others will proudly defend their home until the last Ibis goes down in a flame of glory.
It's really not about helping corpmates. We cannot win a war with PvP combat, none in my alliance are trained or prepared to fight people who PvP on a daily basis. Instead, we win the war by wasting their time so much that they go away. As I mentioned in the OP, you cannot force someone into PvP. |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:23:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Instead of commiserating, you should learn how to do it.
Everyone is a noob once in every area. You have to try to learn.
Explain to me why PVE people are so slow to uptake the fact that they can learn to pvp too?
For the exact same reason that PVP people are so slow to uptake the fact that some players DO NOT WANT TO PVP. I have over 70 million skillpoints, none of which are PvP related. Hell, I can't even fit a warp scrambler to my ship. My active avoidance of all things PvP is due to the fact that I do not enjoy it in the slightest.
No, I don't have to try and learn PvP if I do not want to. I will continue to run missions and do other carebear activities for many more years, because I love this game.
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Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:28:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:I don't care if you want to PVP! This is EVE, and you signed up for a game which is one big giant open pvp arena.
Then why does CONCORD shoot you when you agress me in highsec? |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:30:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:To that question, it bothers me they want to change game mechanics to make themselves safer to avoid any unwanted pvp, thus ruining the game I love.
You still haven't answered my question. Why do you insist on PVPING people who aren't interested in, or cannot, fight back? |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:32:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Because people like you cried on the forums back in 2003 enough to make CCP introduce concord. Besides, I can still gank you or get you to aggress me in lots of ways.
Yes, you can attempt to gank me. You have less than 30 seconds to take down my 100k+ EHP mission boat. Good luck.
And no, I've been around long enough that you will NEVER trick me into agressing you.
BTW - I looked up your alliance kb, and I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. I'm pretty sure more mission runners have died from NPC rats than you guys. |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:57:00 -
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I would hazard a guess that for players who are actually good at PvP, no attention is paid by them to the PvE players.
The problem lies in those who cannot hold their own in PvP either through lack of skill training, or simply pilot skill. They cannot seek out a fight with someone who wishes to fight, so instead they come to force their will on the unwilling.
Those who say bear tears are the best tears are wrong. Pirate tears are far sweeter. Plus, you can find them in any thread about CCP changing highsec mechanics in favor of the PvE player! No pesky scanning or trickery required. |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:24:00 -
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Apparently I should clarify.
I am NOT advocating NOR suggesting that all PvP should be removed from the game. PvP is a very important part of every MMO game ever introduced.
What I am addressing in my OP is the sort of 'forced pvp' that occurs against players who have no ability to defend themselves. Please understand that I am not speaking of any specific incident or tactic. This is not about suicide ganking, can flipping, highsec war decs, or anything of the sort. it is about players who spend their time in game solely trying to upset and harass other players.
What am trying to ascertain is the mentality behind spending hours upon hours in game not trying to make progress for oneself, but instead trying to impede the progress of others.
I've been around long enough to know that the majority of people who engage in non-consensual PvP do it for "the lolz" or "tears", but what does this really mean? I would love to have someone take my question seriously and provide a serious answer, rather than hiding behind whatever meme they deem appropriate.
I actually have massive amounts of respect for those who participate in PvP outside empire space. Highsec bullies, not so much. |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:59:00 -
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There is some loot and some salvage from what the ship was fitted with. Most gankers are doing it for tears and to upset other people. A lot of them take joy in the suffering of others. |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:24:00 -
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I find it interesting that I made a post regarding non-consensual pvp (ganking) and people try to derail the thread into a discussion about how the market is pvp, how mining is pvp, etc etc etc.
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Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:19:00 -
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I am only going to say this one more time.
This thread is about:
- Suicide ganking
- Invading missions to bait mission runners into agressing
This thread is NOT about:
- War
- Lowsec roams
- Nullsec territory battles
- Market PvP
- Mining PvP
- Contesting incursion sites
- Ninjaing complexes
Seriously, it kinda makes me wonder about the people who either cannot or will not understand what this thread is about, despite several attempts by me to keep it on track.
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Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Even on the forums, you think you can dictate the behavior of others. That speaks volumes. Also, I like how that immediately followed my post that stated the EVERYTHING in Eve is PVP, and you simply dismissed it with "but I don't want to talk about that."
If you sell stuff on the market, you participate in PVP. Anyone who wants to by anything is FORCED to do the same. How DARE you push your gameplay on us.
I've always wanted to say this:
Cry more stupid pirate... I love pirate tears.
If you want to make stupid comments about how everything is PvP, make your own thread. |
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:03:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:Then maybe you should be playing a game that only has consensual PvP. Maybe you and the rest of your little carebear circle jerk **** buddies should play a game that fits what you want in a game instead of repeatedly joining games that are the opposite of what you want and crying like a ***** until the game is ruined for the players who actually had the common sense to play a game they liked in the first place. Your kind won. 99% of the MMO market is full of games designed for people just like you. Go play them instead of whining until the developers ruin one of the only games left designed for people like me.
It took a while, but I finally got some hardcore tears. Well done Lord Dravius, well done. |
Five Thirty
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:13:00 -
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Lord Dravius wrote:See? I knew deep in your timid little carebear heart you were capable of some form of aggression. I'm so proud of you.
You did a poor job making the transition from butthurt to condescending, please try again.
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